Add armor weight into the calculation of swiming-Vote

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Dsn

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Title. balance it out with Str so people that go full steel plate/messing sink or people that have too low str for the weight of set sink.

Something like cap at 100 str.
With 100 you can go up to 20.99(as long as it shows 20 on the bar that is dont knew how seb doesn his + or - 1 thing) weight armor without sinking and with 10 str 5.99 weight. 70 str 10.99(non linear).

the inv bar is still separate from it but at least add it to calculation.

open to similar suggestions on this.
no.5 is R tax
 

kenvic1

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what about the skill, resistance swimming , does that not make you able to swim with heavy armor
 
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Dsn

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what about the skill, resistance swimming , does that not make you able to swim with heavy armor
that is for your inv not Armor. and all swiming skills are for naked swiming only.

armor training is for land only.
 

ponyKnight

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We have water for swiming, you have lycators, mounts, guard zone....
And on your lycator you can swim very fast in that water.
You can swim with lycator, shooting from your bow, use magic on your lycator.
If you can swim super fast on your mount, why we can't swim in steel armor?
So you will ride with super speed on your lycator.
You will hide in guard zone with your lycator.
You will swim with your lycator.
And all foot fighters must just die from you, right?

It will be mounted combat online, really.
If you foot fighter, you dead.
If you mounted, you are king of game - you can ride in guard zone for heal, you can swim with your mount super fast and hit like 60 - 100 from that monster.

And i don't undrestand why you so mad about water.
You have : pokemons (what fight better of you), guard zone (where you can hide all your live), mounts, who can safe you from pvp and lycators, who swim perfect in any water.

We have only water. We don't hide in guard zone, we don't use pokemons, we all almost foot fighters.

We use water mechanic and you cry about nerf it.

So we must cry about nerf:
1.lycators, who swim super fast in armor and you: 1.1. don't need swiming skill for it. 1.2. you can wear any armor and still swin on your lycator.1.3. they swim better of any players and faster
2.pokemons, who don't cost anything (only your time), fight better of master of pokemon, damage hard, have high hp
and don't speak to me about what you will need tamers for it
for warrior you need : armor crafter, refiner, miner, butcher,weapon crafter.
3.mounts, what can have 300+ hp, can charge group of fighters and don't be killed, damage from it like 60 -100.
 
Steel/Messing armor already have a drawback of its high price and protects maybe 20-25% more than molarium plate, which costs 20x times less. This change will nerf foot fighter class even more and make ugly molarium armor more common.
 
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Dsn

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last i seen fate went and
1. runs in watter all the time.
2. crashes clients in water.
3. use heavy armor and go into the water with it.

in other words no heavy armor in water.
 
Thread starter #7

Dsn

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Steel/Messing armor already have a drawback of its high price and protects maybe 20-25% more than molarium plate, which costs 20x times less. This change will nerf foot fighter class even more and make ugly molarium armor more common.
ok then no swiming in water in any type of armor no more ugly armor being more common.
 

ponyKnight

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last i seen fate went and 1. runs in watter all the time.
2. crashes clients in water.
3. use heavy armor and go into the water with it.

in other words no heavy armor in water.
Your guys
1. Swim on you mounts all time.
2. Hide in guard zone with your mounts all time.
3. Take like 200-300 damage with your mounts and that mounts still alive after that.
and you don't need any swiming skill for swim in water with your mount.
and you can do it in any armor
and you can use your mounts like pokemons
 
Thread starter #9

Dsn

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We have water for swiming, you have lycators, mounts, guard zone....
And on your lycator you can swim very fast in that water.
You can swim with lycator, shooting from your bow, use magic on your lycator.
If you can swim super fast on your mount, why we can't swim in steel armor?
So you will ride with super speed on your lycator.
You will hide in guard zone with your lycator.
You will swim with your lycator.
And all foot fighters must just die from you, right?

It will be mounted combat online, really.
If you foot fighter, you dead.
If you mounted, you are king of game - you can ride in guard zone for heal, you can swim with your mount super fast and hit like 60 - 100 from that monster.

And i don't undrestand why you so mad about water.
You have : pokemons (what fight better of you), guard zone (where you can hide all your live), mounts, who can safe you from pvp and lycators, who swim perfect in any water.

We have only water. We don't hide in guard zone, we don't use pokemons, we all almost foot fighters.

We use water mechanic and you cry about nerf it.

So we must cry about nerf:
1.lycators, who swim super fast in armor and you: 1.1. don't need swiming skill for it. 1.2. you can wear any armor and still swin on your lycator.1.3. they swim better of any players and faster
2.pokemons, who don't cost anything (only your time), fight better of master of pokemon, damage hard, have high hp
and don't speak to me about what you will need tamers for it
for warrior you need : armor crafter, refiner, miner, butcher,weapon crafter.
3.mounts, what can have 300+ hp, can charge group of fighters and don't be killed, damage from it like 60 -100.
ps. the mounts cost 20g with lots of time invested.
 
Thread starter #10

Dsn

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Your guys
1. Swim on you mounts all time.
2. Hide in guard zone with your mounts all time.
3. Take like 200-300 damage with your mounts and that mounts still alive after that.
and you don't need any swiming skill for swim in water with your mount.
and you can do it in any armor
and you can use your mounts like pokemons
1.mounts swim because they can
2. you are red that is not my problem
3. not anymore they got nerfed and cost a lot of time and money.
 

ponyKnight

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1.mounts swim because they can
2. you are red that is not my problem
3. not anymore they got nerfed and cost a lot of time and money.
So we can swim because we can too, if we will follow for your logic.
If you can swim in full armor on lycator and it don't going down in water.
 
Thread starter #12

Dsn

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So we can swim because we can too, if we will follow for your logic.
If you can swim in full armor on lycator and it don't going down in water.
not realy i based this on str and mounts have lots of it.

on the other hand wrap heavy armor on a person and he sinks no matter his skills.
 

ponyKnight

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ps. the mounts cost 20g with lots of time invested.
20 g? 15 min for going to deser for desert horse, 10 min for desert lycator. With trial tamer.
 
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Dsn

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20 g? 15 min for going to deser for desert horse, 10 min for desert lycator. With trial tamer.
i use specific horses not the trash found on the roads and after buying it i need to train them a long long time.
around 3 days min.
 

ponyKnight

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If you will nerf swiming for foot fighters, foot fighter will be full shit.
1. Can't use water for escape, mounted can. (jump in full set of armon in water it will be suicide, remove armor before it - weight in invetory, death any way).
2. Can't use heavy armor, mounted can. (stamina drain, speed penalty)
3. Can't use heavy weapon (stamina drain), mounted can.
4. Can't moving so fast, mounted can.
5. Easy to kill, mounted don't (you need kill mount first).

It will be mounted combat online.

Things like parry, stamina managment, cancel of attack will be lost.

All will ride on mounts and die like full newbs on the ground.
Buy mount, tame pokemon and you king of that game without any pvp skill.
Game will going to die.

It going right now, all mounted now, with pokemons and standart foot fighters really rare monsters.
Today my mate killed mount of some red guy. And what that guy did after that? Crash the game! Mount is dead, player is dead. No skill.
 
last i seen fate went and
1. runs in watter all the time.
2. crashes clients in water.
3. use heavy armor and go into the water with it.

in other words no heavy armor in water.
Last time i seen meduli militia they:
1. Use pokemons and mounted combat all the time.
2. Outnumber you by 2-3 times.
3. Afraid to dismount to help their foot comrades.

crashes clients in water.
Fraps or never happen.

ps. the mounts cost 20g with lots of time invested.
Steel plate costs 150g with even more time invested into mining.

You have Guardzone and we have water. Plus we invested 100 primary points to use it and you can do the same, i dont see any problem here.
 
Thread starter #17

Dsn

Honored Member
Last time i seen meduli militia they:
1. Use pokemons and mounted combat all the time.
2. Outnumber you by 2-3 times.
3. Afraid to dismount to help their foot comrades.


Fraps or never happen.


Steel plate costs 150g with even more time invested into mining.

You have Guardzone and we have water. Plus we invested 100 primary points to use it and you can do the same, i dont see any problem here.
you are red your argument is invalid.

ps. it happened because you admited to it just now.
 
Thread starter #18

Dsn

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If you will nerf swiming for foot fighters, foot fighter will be full shit.
1. Can't use water for escape, mounted can. (jump in full set of armon in water it will be suicide, remove armor before it - weight in invetory, death any way).
2. Can't use heavy armor, mounted can. (stamina drain, speed penalty)
3. Can't use heavy weapon (stamina drain), mounted can.
4. Can't moving so fast, mounted can.
5. Easy to kill, mounted don't (you need kill mount first).

It will be mounted combat online.

Things like parry, stamina managment, cancel of attack will be lost.

All will ride on mounts and die like full newbs on the ground.
Buy mount, tame pokemon and you king of that game without any pvp skill.
Game will going to die.

It going right now, all mounted now, with pokemons and standart foot fighters really rare monsters.
Today my mate killed mount of some red guy. And what that guy did after that? Crash the game! Mount is dead, player is dead. No skill.
Mounted is and should always be superior to foot as it was in medevil times.

foot army down in river.
mounted army crosses river with minimal losses.
 

ponyKnight

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you are red your argument is invalid.

ps. it happened because you admited to it just now.
It hyena mentalitet. Fun without any risk. Pvp where you can't die.
Like :
Oh nice, that guys is red, so i can ride near that guys, hit that guys and run in guard zone in any time!

It new in game and more and more players have brains like that.
They attack if don't have risk to be killed.
If they see any risk of be killed, they ride away, crash client, logout, anything else.

I think what it is bad, maybe you think what you are smart guy if doing things like that.
 

ponyKnight

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Mounted is and should always be superior to foot as it was in medevil times.

foot army down in river.
mounted army crosses river with minimal losses.
So mounted combat online, like i say?
Guys without any pvp skills of foot melee combat, just because they always mounted.
All with hammers and axes.
 
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